Friday, September 21, 2007
All Good Things
But beyond those more formal times you have spent with people are the deep relationships you have forged. You've been with families when they are at their best and when they are facing the deepest emotional chasms of life. You’ve attended high school football games and town parades. You’ve celebrated the joyous births and the tragic deaths. These shared experiences have brought you into a close relationship with many in the church. In some important ways you are closer to some families in your church than you are to some of your family members. You are now at the end of your ministry and can look forward to years of retirement with the self-satisfying knowledge that you have been faithful in all things.
But you have one more ministry task before you.
You must leave this church.
Bob Campbell, former BGCT president and long time Houston pastor has written a piece for the Baptist Standard arguing that a retired pastor can remain at his home church if he adopts some specific guidelines. While each of his guidelines are reasonable, I think that they are also overly optimistic. A retired pastor will always exert an effect on the church, no matter what steps he, the new pastor, or the church may take to prevent that from happening.
If things go exceptionally well with the new pastor, there are still issues. If the retired pastor excuses himself from business meetings and is both publicly and privately supportive of the church’s leadership, he will still be on the new pastor’s mind as someone who would (at least tacitly) need to be included in the loop on certain decisions that involve changing long held traditions. Even with a successful transition to a gifted successor, the retired pastor will still occupy an important place in the hearts of many in the church. When the retired pastor says that he will do no funerals or weddings “unless asked by the new pastor”, it still puts an inordinate pressure on the new pastor to include him. “Well, Brother Smith, I will not participate in your wife’s funeral unless asked to by the new pastor.”
And it things go bad for the new pastor they will go worse with the retired minister in the background. He will serve (even against his wishes) as the individual around whom opposition will coalesce. Not only will people speak nostalgically about his past ministry, they will also wonder about what he might be able to do again. If the new pastor leaves, the former will likely be asked to ride in as a knight to restore stability.
It is a sad irony that the place where a pastor has invested so many of his years is the one place to which he cannot retire.
The retired pastor has sacrificed himself for his entire ministry. He must make one more sacrifice.
Wednesday, September 19, 2007
Random Conversations
Conversation #1 (At Home)
Skeeter: “Dad, do you know where my shoes are?”
Me: “Skeeter, I don’t even know where my own shoes are right now.”
Conversation # 2 (At Soccer Practice. Caleb is 8)
Me: “Caleb, at the beginning of the drill did you hear me tell you to pass the ball three times before you shot it?”
Caleb: “Yes”
Me : "While you were dribbling to the goal did you hear me shouting at you ‘PASS! PASS! PASS!!!!!”
Caleb: “Yes”
Me: “Why didn’t you pass the ball???”
Caleb: “Because I’m hyperactive!!!”
...silence...
Me: “Do you see that goal over there on the other side of the soccer fields?”
Caleb: “Yes”
Me: “Go run from here to there five times as fast as you can.”
(I'm experimenting with the hypothesis that an exhausted hyperactive kid is more manageable than a rested one. I'll report back the data as the season progresses.)
Conversation #3 (After Kadie asked me to take Squealer to Cubbies)
Teacher: “Do you have his mission money for this week and last week? Did he memorize his verses? Did he bring his item for show and tell?"
Me: “Ummm, I, uhh…Kadie was busy and she asked me to uhhhh..."
Teacher: (Interrupting) “Or are you just drop off Dad?”
Me: (In a crystal moment of clarity) “Yes, that’s it exactly. I'm merely drop off Dad.”
Conversation #4 (Out on a date)
Lastly, I took Kadie out on a date last Thursday evening. We went to a nice restaurant and returned to our Vue, which has a standard transmission. I had parked on an incline. I turned it on and then absentmindedly put it into reverse. We heard a horrendous screech as the car painfully moved a few inches backwards.
I quickly took the car out of gear.
Kadie: “That would be the parking brake, genius.”
A Bad Fit (II)
And a lack of trust can be a problem. In an ideal setting, a class is conducted more as a dance than a debate. A seminary setting would not allow me the freedom to explore difficult issues from as many directions. Students are always aware of what the right answer is. Since students are generally unaware of my own biases until the end of the semester, I am able to advocate more than one position in order to challenge the student's presuppositions.
Scot McKnight made the (unusual) jump from seminary (TEDS) to college (Northpark) and has blogged on this very issue. I follow his thinking in this area. (At least his first three points).
I’m pleased to see God at work in this State University and feel called to be here.
As I’ve briefly noted before, I do have a sense of sadness in regards to Southwestern. Since Ashley asked, I do have a few comments:
On the matter of the letter from an anonymous seminary professor. There are certainly discontents at every university and many people unhappy with their jobs. There are also many who have axes to grind due to real or imagined slights. I have no idea of course, if any of the professor's statements are true, no doubt some of them are. I would simply say that this is not necessarily an indication that any unusual things are going on there. And despite the anonymous nature of this blog, I agree that these charges shouldn't be hurled from behind a cloak of anonymity. (Although I certainly understand why they were. SBC seminary professors are afforded minimal protection from capricious dismissals).
As to the women’s home-making program? I personally don’t see it as a necessary component of higher education. I’m not even sure what degree would credential a person to teach in that field. But ultimately, that is a decision for the ATS, not for me.
The main argument in favor of teaching it is that wives are colaborers with their husband in ministry. I certainly agree with that, and have even blogged about it. But I am unsure of its priority. I think that there are several other areas where our seminaries would better prioritize their efforts in education. For example, additional coursework dealing with any of these issues would be a start. Combined with the Klouda dismissal, it certainty seems to me that the seminary has a clear stance regarding the role of women with which I disagree.
As a sort of post script, several months ago, I ran into Ken Hemphill. He was in our community leading a workshop on his new endeavor, Empowering Kingdom Growth. I was tempted to approach him and thank him for not hiring me. But I didn’t want that come come out as too snarky, so I just introduced myself among the throngs of others.
He did me and the seminary a favor. (I did however, ask him what he thought of Ratatouille)
P.S. I neglected to mention that I left my mark at Southwestern. Literally. A few days before we moved out of our Carrol Park triplex, I engraved my initials in a plot of wet cement that is still there, forever connecting me to the institution. (And leading my father to mutter to my brother Bartolo, “Do you think he’ll ever grow up?)
*Kids, back when I went to school we recorded sound on these things called "tape."
Tuesday, September 18, 2007
A Bad Fit

After an extended discussion with the faculty in OT, they asked if they could put my name forward for the position. They scheduled an interview with President Hemphill and with Provost Tommy Lea (who sadly died that following year). It was an intimidating experience. As the OT faculty arrived in the room to observe the
The conversation with the president and the Dean was very congenial and thorough. They asked me questions about my testimony and call to the teaching ministry. They asked me about the newly revised Baptist Faith and Message and if I could teach in accordance with its principles.
The only “huh?” moment in the process was when President Hemphill started off a question “Due to the recent movie about the Exodus, there’s been renewed interest in the JEDP theory. What do you think about Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch?”
What!? My stance on Mosaic authorship is a fair question to ask, but I was flummoxed by its supposed connection to a cartoon. I haven’t known too many biblical scholars who take their cues from Dreamworks.
But despite that non sequitor by the end of the conversation, I had a good feeling. Dr. Lea did most of the questioning and led us all through my views on various topics. Finally President Hemphill stood up and thanked me for coming. The Old Testament faculty were silent through the whole experience. As I filed out with the faculty into the hall, a mentor of mine slapped me on the back and said “Taran, you just hit a home run.” I turned to him smiling, but then he continued “Unfortunately your team is losing by 15 runs with two outs in the bottom of the ninth.”
Apparently the other candidate for the position was interviewed right before me and was the clearly preferred candidate by President Hemphill. In fact, the other candidate was invited to lunch after his interview by the President. (When the person interviewing you asks the other job applicant to lunch, it’s not a good sign.) The other candidate was a longtime professor at Criswell College and (in retrospect) was a better fit for the direction of the Seminary that was I. The years have born that out as he has risen successfully into upper administration at SWBTS.
I received the official rejection letter a few days later and our whole family was heart broken by the news. (More tomorrow)
Tuesday, September 11, 2007
Soccer Dad
In an omission that probably qualifies as child neglect in several states, Kadie and I have never enrolled the kids in any organized sports. (Although we did have them in Tae Kwon Do for a few years). With our work schedules and general challenge of being poorly organized, we’ve never taken the time to do so. But that changed on Saturday.
Kadie is trying a radical new schedule that will put her in the position of working all night, two days a week. That allows her to be at home every evening and gives us more flexibility to have someone at home with one kid while the others go to practice. Because of this, we (foolishly?!) enrolled all three kids into a local soccer league sponsored by a megachurch in our area. None of our kids have ever played before.
All games and practices are on Mondays and Saturdays over the next two months. We figured that their practices would overlap and we could drive out to the soccer fields and get all the practices over at once. But that was not to be.
On Saturday morning we arrived in the early morning heat for Squealer’s 10 am practice. He was hot and sweaty and enjoyed it immensely. His coach gave each parent a resume showing how he played on the high school and collegiate level. He then gave us an outline of a typical practice and worked the kids hard for an hour. Squealer loved it.
Skeeter’s practice was at 12:00 pm (?!) and also wore her out. It was hot….Africa hot…Tarzan couldn’t take this heat. Unfortunately, they had no coach. A friend of mine volunteered to be their coach, but only on the condition that I be his co-coach. Despite the fact that my own playing experience was 30 years ago and the only game I’ve watched since was Germany "crush" South Korea in the World Cup almost 13 years ago (and I only watched that whole game because I was there). I know little to nothing about the game. I can describe the difference between the 3-4 and the 4-3 defense in football, explain the infield fly rule in baseball, distinguish between carrying and traveling in basketball, but all I know about soccer is that you can't touch the ball with your hands.
So coaching a team should be quite interesting.*
Scooter’s practice was at 1:00 and was even hotter. Her practice was more of a tryout as her age group (Under 15) will be subject to a draft. Of the three kiddos, I was mostly concerned with her. As a Tween, I think she’s in a demographic that is generally more concerned with being cool and fitting in that her younger siblings. She was a bundle of anxiety. Fortunately, there were a few others who had never played before and she fit in beautifully.
*My brother Bartolo will be the one chortling the hardest over this delicious irony. He was a soccer star who would’ve played at the highest levels had he not made the wise decision to follow his passions into other areas instead. He once broke a guys nose who was going for "his" ball. I have no doubt that he had the talent to go as far as he desired. He even played on the same select teams as this guy! I feel certain that he will be giving me some soccer drill suggestions.
Monday, September 10, 2007
New Fangled Technology
New phones, however, brings new features. Our old phone was incapable of connecting to the internet machine, but our new phones can. But we’ve been unwilling to pay the extra $16.95 a month that will allow us to do so. They both also take crummy pictures, but without an internet connection…what can you do with that?
I’ve also been familiarized with the process of the “ring tone” that allows you to purchase a song and have that installed as your own distinctive ring. Furthermore, you can designate a particular tone for a particular person. With that in mind, I made two new ring “downloads” off the internet machine.
For my all-purpose ring I selected my favorite song by the late great Rich Mullins entitled “Calling Out Your Name”. Call my new number and that’s what I’ll hear.
Then I downloaded a distinctive ring for Kadie, something I’ll hear only when she calls. I decided to go with the (not late, but still definately great) Norah Jones' “Come Away With Me” a song by that singer and inspired by that book. It goes off only when Kadie calls.
It always makes me smile when I hear her call…
Wednesday, September 05, 2007
BiVo, TiVo, and the Incarnation
1. There is a biblical model for the bivocational minister
2. It prevents a "hired gun" mentality for pastors
3. It promotes "fearless" ministry because no one's livlihood is held hostage
I agree with each of his points and would like to add two of my own. First, and related to #2, is the fact that the minister can better identify with the laity. When the pastor wrestles with balancing a “secular” career and church ministry, I believe that he associates himself more closely with the laity by sharing their struggles. (I put quotes around secular because I think that the sacred/secular dichotomy has done more harm than good.) When the minister preaches on the importance of sharing faith with a coworker or of loving an unlovable boss, he has more credibility.
The parishioners identify more completely with a bivocational pastor because he has become like them. In short, the BiVo is a more incarnational approach than the TiVo. In fact, one of the greatest elements about Christ's Incarnation is this very point. We could apply Hebrews 4:15 “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses” to this question by noting that “We do not have a pastor who cannot sympathize with our balancing act of work, family and church.”
Second, I think that church leadership would benefit more from a more varied vocational expertise. I daresay Bowden’s own contribution to the SBC conversation is most enriching because of his training in counseling. He sees things that the rest of us normal people don’t see. But counseling is obviously not the only beneficial field. One’s vocation can become the lens through which one views church activity. A professional manager, development officer, script writer, or a self-employed plumber would each bring a different perspective from the traditional pastor.
Consider a common trajectory for a Southern Baptist pastor’s ministry. For many it starts as they are given responsibilities as teenagers in church. Then they graduate from a Baptist university, then a Baptist seminary, and eventually take the pulpit of their first church. They often remain in this position for the rest of their life. Such a system can promote myopic and insular thinking.* Combine this with an autocratic pastoral approach and other perspectives can be shut out. A bivocational minister can make a tremendous contribution to church life.
*Be clear about what I am not saying. I am not arguing that the BiVo is superior to the TiVo. I’m arguing instead, that there are advantages to the BiVo approach that make it just as necessary and important in the contemporary church.
To Be (Unanimous) or Not To Be
Arguing against this view was the position of some that we can never be sure that everyone else on the committee has a proper relationship with God. Someone could act selfishly, like Achan, and be out of step with God’s will.
Ultimately, after much discussion we decided that we would only present a unanimous recommendation to the church. Although I see strengths on each side, I ultimately think that we will be fine with pursuing unanimity as a committee. We have a good group serving and I trust their sensitivity to God’s direction.
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Thursday, August 30, 2007
Homage or Rip Off????
But having said that, he clearly ripped off this blog. (One character informs her husband in Iraq that she is having twins.)
Tuesday, August 28, 2007
40th Bash
Last Saturday, we threw a surprise 40th anniversary soiree for my parents. Months in the planning, we invited a few hundred people and came up with food, drinks, and music for a crowd.
The brides Kadie and Bonita did the lion's share of the work. Miguelito, Bartolo and I (spending our time tapping toes impatiently) were ill equipped to assist. In one feisty exchange, Bartolo called me to ask about the color of the table skirts. “Ummmm, that’s really not my area of responsibility, let me give the phone to Kadie” I replied. He then asked sarcastically “What exactly is your area of responsibility then?” Basically music and slides as it turned out. I got a local jazz group (with ties to our university) to play at the party and I also scanned in many pictures from their (secretly purloined) wedding album and from various family trips and over the course of our lives.
Family came in from across the state. Tommy arrived with his world famous chocolate fondue and the kids gathered around it looking just like goldfish at the water’s surface around feeding time.
The party was a complete surprise. Bonita proved to be an exceptional liar and came up with the idea of telling them we were going to have pictures made. So we all had an excuse to get dressed up and head out to the location in town. The kids also participated by telling granddaddy how much they wanted to go to the park (while it was 100 degrees) in order to keep him distracted. It is good when you involve your children in lies.
PT Girl graciously brought her camera and arranged several pictures with the various elements of our families. Everyone pitched in and helped a lot. I am still amazed that we kept the secret for so long.
Mom and Dad were shocked, but fell back immediately to their giftedness in the areas of hospitality and grace, they enjoyed themselves immensely as they got to spend three hours with old friends and family.
Growing up, my grandmother and mom both catered weddings throughout much of their lives. At the end of the gala Mom turned to me and said “I’m so glad that the next generation has taken over the organization of parties.”
Of such things, memories are made.
Monday, August 27, 2007
Once Upon a Time...
The rational thing was to wait until he returned and reconnect after a year apart. The irrational thing would be to get married to someone they had known for four weeks. It would be even more irrational to suggest that a marriage would survive with its two partners cleaved apart by the Pacific for an entire year.

Wednesday, August 22, 2007
Life Happens...
* Last Saturday night we had 7 (SEVEN!!!!!) girls between the ages of eight and twelve here in the house. Skeeter was celebrating her birthday and had three friends over while Scooter asked if she could have a friend or two over as well. We found a friend’s house to stash Squealer and his absence allowed the girls to roam free. We put them all to bed around twelve and Kadie woke up at 4 am to find the four younger girls (the 8 and 9 year olds) playing dress up. (One tyke, dressed as Wonder Woman, screamed in terror as an enraged Kadie flung open their door.)
* I’ve been trying to gather information about the last Pastor Search Committee at Lakeshore so I’ll have some idea of the church’s expectations. We should adopt a covenant tonight that I’ll post in the next week or so.
*Financial Peace University has begun and has exploded in popularity. I expected to have about seven or eight family units (a cumbersome term used to include singles) take the class but we have closer to twenty. So I’ve been having to track down additional materials for the class. Forty people out of an active membership of two hundred taking the class is impressive!
*I’ve been negotiating with Squealer’s guidance 7th grade counselor to rearrange her class schedule. She was stuck in choir but wants computer science and/or art. Unfortunately, I am vying for the counselor's attention with about 76,598 other parents.
*We’ve had some changes in our college that affect another department, but not mine. Despite this fact, I have some strong concerns about that department’s direction. I had to have a conversation with our Dean that outlined my concerns despite the fact that, at the end of the day, it is none of my business. I gave him unsolicited advice about what (I think) he should do and was concerned about how he would receive it.
*I received notice from the mother ship (the main branch of our university campus) that selected personnel files had been "compromised" at the main campus. Included in these files were faculty employed at my institution in the 2000-2001 academic year. That would be the year I started teaching, and mine were among those rifled through. Apparently opur main campus fire-wall is more akin to a soggy napkin.
*I’ve been working on another project that I’ll post about on Monday.
Oh yeah, classes start next week…
Friday, August 17, 2007
HSM2

Newsweek called the original High School Musical “The Grease of this generation.”
I think they meant that to be a favorable comparison.
So I have my earplugs in (because of my shrieking girls, not because of the quality of the music) and my own high school class of 1987 ring on.
Watching the movie will impute a coolness on me that will enable me to transcend the immense cultural gap between me and my kids.
Right?
Thursday, August 16, 2007
The Unexpected
Last night we met and voted without taking any nominations. We simply filled out ballots for the three positions. It is not the role I would’ve selected for myself, but the members of the committee were very supportive.
In the days leading up to the meeting, I began thinking about the strengths of the various individuals in the group. I was going to give my thoughts to the new chairman, but will post them online instead. (I shared them with the committee after the vote took place and asked them to pray about them).
I designated a person to be a liaison with each of the following groups: deacons, stewardship and personnel committees, senior adults, and the church staff. I also designated one person to head up our devotional-prayer time and one person to be in charge of communication (both internal to the group and external with the church). I encouraged each member to pray about these positions of responsibility and I hope that they will use them to be a focus of communication with that particular group. I was especially concerned about designating someone to work with the senior adults and to make sure that they feel represented on our committee.
We also made a decision about the two alternates. The church by-laws state that the committee is comprised of 7 members and 2 alternates. There was some discussion about excluding the two alternates from the meetings unless one needs to be added to the committee. That seems to me to go against the rationale of having alternates because they would need to be brought up to speed if they were going to participate. Why not simply have the congregation vote on a new member in the event that the need arises?? So we concluded that the two alternates will participate in all of the meetings, but will not vote, nor will they travel to listen to any of the potential candidates.
Finally we decided to develop a covenant (sound familiar??) that will serve to guide us as a committee. It will address our commitment to unity, confidentiality and obedience. The Sunday after next we will share it with the church.
Any suggestions on what should be a part of a Pastor Search Committee covenant????
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Friday, August 10, 2007
It's Me, Baby!

Thursday, August 09, 2007
The Lineup

There were two concerns I had about whom the by-laws allowed to be nominated. First, two staff members were nominated. I think that staff members should not be allowed onto a search committee. It would be difficult to keep one’s own personal thoughts from getting entangled with what is best for the church. Second, there were two couples nominated. On a committee this size (7 members), I’m not sure it is wise to have so much influence concentrated in one family. Kadie was also nominated, but we didn’t think it was right for each of our names to be on the list, so she declined the nomination.
(As it turns out, neither staff member was elected to the committee. None of the individuals from the couples were elected either, so it turned out alright.)
So there were about twenty four people nominated for the committee. The following week, after much emphasis on prayer and fasting, the church voted. Each church member received a ballot and voted for seven candidates. The top seven recipients were elected to the committee and then the next two were designated alternates.
The committee is a good one, I think, though not quite as representative of the church as I would’ve liked. Particularly glaring is a lack of representation among the senior adults. The eldest member of the committee is in her early sixties. We have several large senior adult classes and I think we’re going to have to work hard to keep them included. Most of the rest of us are in our early thirties to mid-forties. Three of the members are in the young married class I teach. None of us are single and two of us are women. I’d like to see each of those groups represented more.
We’ve immediately been confronted with having to make a few decisions on procedure...
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Wednesday, August 08, 2007
A Few Days in Austin
Bartolo (my older younger brother) is familiar to many readers of Coffeespoons. He and Bonita hold down the fort in Houston while he completes his dissertation and works for a university in another universe of prestige from my own (He works at the Boardwalk of higher education institutions while I spend my time on Baltic Ave.). Like his older brother (four years separate us) he’s following Dad into higher education (much to the regret of Dad by the way). Bartolo and Bonita raise the elegance level of any gathering they attend and are, as their pastor once said “two beautiful people.” I loved hearing on this trip how much Bonita is interested in evangelism—pretty much par for the course for Baptists, but they are both Presbyterian.
My other brother Miguelito is preparing for his third year of high school. His name has been oddly missing from this blog, due to his older brother’s oversight and the fact that we don’t spend as much time together as we should. I really want to work more on our relationship. He moved into the house (as a newborn) about the same time I moved out, an unusual dynamic that has worked against our relationship for awhile. But I suspect that will be changing.
We gathered at the home of my cousin Tommy. Tommy is four (or three, depending on who is counting) days older than I am, a fact he’s been reminding me of for the last thirty-eight years. We grew up twenty minutes away from one another and have shared birthdays and holidays for decades. We’ve (or at least I’ve) spilled blood with one another while hunting for scrap iron, been shot at while looking for rocks with my aunt, and have squished thousands of bagworms for homeowners (at 2 cents a piece) while in junior high. Tommy is the most giving person I’ve ever known, even sharing a kidney a few years back with his brother-in-law.
Tommy and his bride have been blessed with a tremendous gift of hospitality. We enjoyed the stay tremendously and left feeling extraordinarily relaxed. Much of our time in Austin was spent lazing around in their new pool, with gentle restfulness interspersed with frenetic moments of challenging, double-crossing, wrasslin’ as we battled to dunk one another in the pool. As I was struggling to "baptize" the recently turned 16 year old Miguelito, the thought crossed my mind for the first time: “My little brother is almost stronger then I am." Almost.
A wonderful time with family, the kind of setting where you can act more like yourself than anywhere else. Family can be a tremendous reflection of ourselves.
Tuesday, July 31, 2007
Pastor Seach Committee
I’ve posted on the intentional interim ministry for a while and have explored the life of a church during the interim time from the perspective of a pastor. Now I’ll be taking a look at interim life from the side of a church member.
This last Sunday we had our election for the Pastoral Search Committee (PSC). I was voted in as one of the nine members of the committee. Over the next few days or so I’ll be blogging about our initial discussions to give an example of what a typical search committee deals with.
I haven't spent a lot of time blogging about our home church. Mostly that's because I've been gone for ten months out of the last year. We have several challenges facing our church at Lakeview. I’ve mentioned before that the Intentional Interim process would be helpful for us, but also that it was rejected by the deacons.
As I mentioned, one thing that short circuited that attempt was an older deacon who felt a “check in his spirit” as I described the Intentional Interim process. This check led him (ultimately) to reject the process for our church. The rest of the deacons followed suit. So we have made the decision to find an interim minister who will likely just fill the pulpit on Sundays while our youth minister makes hospital visits and performs funerals.
Of course, an irony is that the guy who nominated me for membership on the PSC…was the same guy who had the check in his spirit about the Intentional Interim. I really appreciated the gesture and it helped me to overcome some of my frustration with his rejection of the process. He made his decision based on what he genuinely thought, perhaps not due to the fact that the IIM is simply new.
So I am reminded again of the problem with making hasty generalizations ("Hmmmm, he's older and I presented him with a new idea which he rejected, so he must be lacking spiritual discernment.") Fortunately, I never make hasty assumptions.
Still learning, still growing.
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Monday, July 30, 2007
Financial Peace University
About a year and a half ago, I asked our pastor if we could offer Financial Peace University. He said he’d think about it and never got back to me. After I finally asked him his decision, he said nope, “It’s not time.” It apparently never was time, as he left a few months later.
Our current youth/education/interim minister (and the only minister on our staff) was called to the gospel ministry out of the world of financial services and is passionate about this course. He has encouraged me to offer the class. This program was developed by Dave Ramsey (long time
Financial Peace University is a 13 week study (2 hours a week) that explores the Bible’s teachings on finances by someone who has gone broke and bounced back from it. It is a great program for all of course, but we have a several single parents in our church and it should be very helpful for them as well. In addition, a local marriage counselor (who isn’t even a Christian) is going to send us several referrals for it. Kadie and I will be coordinating the class.
One bonus is its use as an outreach tool. By offering the class, our church will go up on Ramsey’s web site for those looking for a class in our area. If you are interested in a class in your area, check it out here. If you want to offer it at your church (and I highly recommend it) check out Ramsey's site and connect with their church coordinators.
So starting August 19th we will roll with it.
Thursday, July 26, 2007
Unmasked
She also loves stories about animals (doesn’t every 11 year old girl?) and has recently been working her way through Chicken Soup for the Petlover’s Soul. (Though not pet lovers of chickens apparently. I’ve chosen at this time not to point out to her the irony of the book title which certainly implies boiling poultry).
At lunch yesterday, she shared with me some cheesy story from the book about a boy and a lion and God, as I listened absently. When she finished the story I chuckled
Then she dropped the hammer: “You have two laughs, Daddy.”
I was immediately surprised and it caused me to laugh. “See, that’s your real laugh.” she said. What’s the difference I asked? “I dunno, but I can tell when you’re not really laughing and when you really are.”
She then asked “Why do you laugh at the story if you don’t think it’s funny?” On this rare occasion I decided be truthful. “Ummmm…honestly, I guess I laugh because you think it’s funny and I don’t want to hurt your feelings.”
She considered this for a moment and then said “I guess so, but I know what your fake laugh sounds like. So now when you fake laugh, it will hurt my feelings.”
So apparently my condescending artifice has been uncovered. I will have to be a lot more self-conscious from now on. But on the plus side, she will be able to tell when I fake laugh at other people…
Wednesday, July 25, 2007
Raise II
Because of this distribution, two of the departments argue for a higher percentage of merit going to the upper third of faculty while the other two argued for the percentage going to merit being smaller. The dean casts the deciding vote of course, and effected a compromise that resulted in the lower group getting a 4% (2.5% COLA and a 1.5% merit) raise, the middle group getting a 5% raise and the highest group getting 5.5%.
Not proportionally fair to the upper group? That was my (and one other chair’s) point to the Dean. He responded that the high performers tend to be the higher paid faculty already, and a larger percentage for them would cut down the raise of the lower producing faculty…which I saw as a positive.
But the Dean casts the deciding vote, and makes the recommendation to the Provost. Which he did.
Ultimately, only the head chef gets to adjust the recipe.
Tuesday, July 24, 2007
Raises

Thursday, July 19, 2007
Summer School
First, the quality of students tends to be higher. A lot of the bright kids who go off to the Harvards or Princetons are nerdy enough to want to knock off some college credits while they are home for the summer. So we get some really sharp minds who seem more interested in the subject than in the Fall or Spring semesters.
Second, I love the length of time. The semester is compressed (over either one or two months) and classes are lengthier (usually 2 hours instead of one). This allows conversations in classes to continue from class session to class session more easily than during regular semesters. I don’t have to spend the first 10 minutes of the class simply reminding folks where we were at the end of the last class several days before.
Lastly I enjoy the class sizes. Instead of a class of 55 for intro to philosophy, get a class of 20 or 25. It allows for the class to slow down and pursue discussions for longer periods of time.
So I can say something I never imagined saying as a 16 year old:
I love summer school.
Tuesday, July 17, 2007
SBC Primer
(Of course, the controversies are probably among the reasons you left...)
HT: SBC Outpost
Saturday, July 14, 2007
On the Way Home From School
Scene: In the Saturn VUE on the way home from school…
Dad: “So, Scooter, what happened at school today?”
Scooter: “I was playing Connect Four with Josh. I made my last move and Josh looked over at me and said ‘You are a pathetic fool.’ Then he put in the last checker and won the game.”
SILENCE
Dad: “And then what did you do?”
Scooter: “Sir? Oh I just cried and told the teacher.”
Dad: “I think that’s what I would’ve done too.”
SILENCE
Skeeter: “Can we get an ICEE?”
Hiatus
What’s been going on…
Home Alone Two
I was left alone again as Kadie and her sister PT Girl trekked into that state that is the center of the universe and visited their Dad and step mom up in Enid. They took the entire brood of kids. Much lest angst this time. But while she was at our home, PTGirl (who is, after all a PT) advised me to get my knee (yes, that one) looked at by an orthopedic doc. After the injury, the knee remained swollen. Although there's been no pain, it tightens up whenever I run. So I heeded her advice…
Under the
The ortho doc recommended draining the fluid out of the bursa sac with a large needle. Which he immediately did. (It looked EXACTLY like this). Overall it wasn’t as painful as I expected, and much less painful than my "friends" told me it would be.
Recalling Stories
The book is finally out. Now its time to start working on the next one.
Intentional Interim
As I anticipated, the deacons at Lakeview opted not to go with an intentional interim program. While disappointing, it was not surprising. I was told that we hadn’t done it in the past and there was no need to do so now. When I asked how the deacons had responded to the problems I perceived in the church, the chairman said nobody really had any responses to my concerns.
Raise
At work, we’ve had one raise in the last seven years and just received another one this summer. So the summer term has been focused on haggling over how best to apportion what would be an across the board 5% raise. While appreciated, it’s like splitting hairs.
I should get back into the blogging swing of things now. Thanks to all who've continued to read.
Monday, July 02, 2007
Words
An example of each:
A cudgel…
Squealer: “Daddy, is chickenhead a bad word??”
Me: “Ummm…..no, not really.”
Squealer (turning to Scooter) “You CHICKENHEAD! You’re a CHICKENHEAD, CHICKENHEAD, CHICKENHEAD, CHICKENHEAD!!!!!!!!!!!”
And as a scalpel
Squealer: “Skeeter, you’re a BUTTon-HEAD”
Me: “Squealer, you’re one syllable away from a spanking…..”
"Head" is the preferred suffix of choice, rendering most any word into an expletive.
Thursday, June 28, 2007
Home

Earlier this week I took Squealer to spend a few days with his cousin Grace an hour away. Then Kadie, Scooter and Squealer left for the Gulf Coast on a mission trip with our church. They are going down to assist in the ongoing recovery effort from hurricanes that passed through years before.
When we compared our schedules a few months ago, Kadie expressed an interest in taking the girls on the mission trip. I want to get them involved in these activities at an early age and this one seems appropriate for an eleven and an eight year old. Squealer presented a problem, but PT Girl (Kadie’s Sister) and her husband Sully, agreed to keep Squealer locked away until everyone returns on Saturday.
Since I’m teaching this summer term, I couldn't go and that is why I'm left alone in a big, quiet house for the rest of the week.
Its odd that I can run the dishwasher once and that the sink stays clear for hours...I can walk barefooted down the hall and not impale my foot on a Sorry game piece...Washed clothes don’t spontaneously regenerate in the dirty clothes hamper only minutes later…I can take hot showers…For the first time in a few years, the Rangers don’t have to compete with Hannah Montana for attention on the television…
And yet…it’s hard not to get three hugs when I get home (or four if I can catch Squealer)...The only laughter I hear is my own as I read a funny joke (like this one)...I miss the completely rational (from a kid’s perspective) explanation for why there is—at this very moment as I discovered this morning—a plastic locket (from Skeeter’s necklace) inexplicably sitting next to the ice cube trays in our kitchen freezer.
So often our house seems barely big enough to hold the five of us. Its seams burst as it struggles to contain all the laughing, shoving, screaming, snuggling, frogging, loving, wrestling, feeding, weeping, zerbertting, praying, yelling, eating, spanking, chasing, hugging and living that goes on around here.
But this evening the little house seems huge and I am reminded again by the silence that a house isn’t a home.
Wednesday, June 27, 2007
The Forum
In the field of Biblical Studies, the Society of Biblical Literature is the primary professional organization. In recent years, the SBL has taken a more active role in disseminating its scholarship to a larger audience through an online journal called “The Forum”. Readers of this blog might be interested in the current issue.
Friday, June 22, 2007
Birthday Lunch
Her: “Don’t tell me your age, let me guess. I bet your turning 18--No no, I got it: 21!!”
Me: “If you add your guesses together you’re close.”
The family got me an iPod broadcaster so that I can force everyone in the car to listen to my music. (On the way to church Wednesday night I turned on Air Supply’s Greatest Hits. It was, perhaps, the singular most merciless act of my parenthood…All out of love indeed).
But lunch time conversations can be oddly surreal at times. Scooter loves to talk about anything and Skeeter tries to keep up with her big sister. Most of the time, Squealer is simply trying to master his bladder control. Kadie (the good parent) has been taking the kids to the library a lot this first month of summer. They have apparently each inherited my interest in history as Scooter has been reading some British history while Skeeter has been reading about the American settlers.
Skeeter: Our family is a lot like Laura Ingell’s family in Little House on the Prairie. They had a Dad and we have a Dad. They have a mom and we have a mom. Scooter is like Laura and I am like Mary. Squealer is like one of the stinky boys who lived near the Big Woods.
Me: “But didn’t they have another sister??”
Skeeter: (aggravated) “It doesn’t have to be perfect”
Scooter: “Well I think our family is a lot like the Tudors. Daddy, you are King Henry VIII, Skeeter is Elizabeth, I’m Mary, Squealer is Edward, and Mom is Jane.”
Me: “I’ve often called your little brother a Tudor.”
Kadie: “Who is Jane?”
Scooter (patiently): "Mom, Jane was Henry’s last wife, the only one who gave him an heir. She died.”
Me: “Actually they all died.”
Scooter: “DAD!! You know what I mean.”
Skeeter: “How did they die?”
Scooter: “Well, Mom died the same year Edward was born and then Edward died when he was nine. Oh, (turning to Skeeter) and then you killed me. Isn’t it sad that the younger sister killed Mary?”
Skeeter: (Looking stunned) I cannot believe that Laura Ingells killed her sister Mary!!”
(I've never thought about how to spell tinckle before)
Thursday, June 21, 2007
Three Universal Laws
- For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.
- A body at rest tends to remain at rest.
- Churches think they will save money during their interim time without a pastor.
Wednesday, June 20, 2007
Wait....
The cellphone went off around 6:15 on Sunday morning, waking me up from a blissful slumber. I was disturbed by the ring, but decided to wait for Kadie to answer the phone. Kadie’s hospital always called around than time. She works as an RN (part time) whenever she wants. They often call her early in the morning and ask if she will work and then she decides whether or not to go in. Most days, she decides not to do so.
And she deserves it.
Throughout our long days in graduate school she had worked full time. But now that I have a full time job (for the first time in ten years of marriage) she has cut back to two shifts a week. It’s been great for our two kids as Skeeter and Scooter love the extra time they got to spend with their Mom. And now Mom is pregnant. (Squealer, as we would later find out, would be born a short month later.)
The phone rang again and I reached out to jostle Kadie awake. But as I reach out, I realize I’m alone in bed…
And then I remember I’m not at home.
I’m in a Motel Six off I-35 in Waco, Texas. I groggily come to my senses as my hand fishes around on the night stand for my phone. I’m in Waco using the Baylor library as I wrap up my dissertation. For the last four months I’ve been going down to Waco every other weekend to complete the project. Every Thursday through Sunday I’ve left the family to make the lonely trip along Highway 31 so that I can live and work in a small carrel tucked away on the third floor, in the bowels of Moody library.
But this would be my last time to make the trip. Since it was at the end of the semester, I planned to stay for a whole week to complete the beast.
As I pick up the phone I confirm on the caller ID that it is Kadie’s hospital. I say hello and expect to hear the familiar voice of Kadie’s supervisor asking for her to come in to work.
But instead I hear Kadie’s voice telling me hello. She explains to me that she began to have intense contractions the night before and went up to the hospital with Scooter and Skeeter. My mom also came over and spent the night in the cramped maternity room. (The girls, then 7 and 4, thought it was an exciting camp out).
I’m stunned and concerned for her health and for the baby’s health. I tell her that I would pack immediately and if I hurry, I’ll be home by early afternoon. No doubt sensing the rising concern in my voice she simply replied
“Wait.”
Kadie “How much longer until you finish?”
Me “Finish what?!”
Kadie “Your dissertation.”
Me “Given the circumstances, I really don’t think….”
Kadie (patiently) “How much longer?”
Me “Uhhhh…I could get it done by Wednesday.”
Kadie “I think you should stay in Waco until you finish it.”
Me “I’m not going to stay in Waco while you have a baby!”
Kadie “I’m not having a baby. They’re just premature contractions. They’ll probably release me today and your mom can make sure we get home safely. We’ll be fine. You need to finish.”
Me “There is no way I’m going to be able to write in a library while my wife is being hospitalized in another state.”
Kadie “Taran…we can do this.”
What do you say to that?! (Besides yes ma’am). She was released that afternoon and I stayed and worked on the last two chapters. I finished my first draft of the dissertation that Wednesday and then graduated a few months later.
I could not have made it through graduate school or parenthood…or pastoring…or teaching…or (fill in the blank) without her support these last fifteen years of marriage. She doesn’t appear as often as she deserves in the stories on this blog, but does appear more often than she wants. Kadie’s been an incredible force for my own personal and spiritual growth in the twenty years we’ve known each other.
(And as I’ve mentioned before, she never reads this blog…thus demonstrating once again her exceptional taste).
Monday, June 18, 2007
Father's Day
Sunday mornings still feel a bit awkward as I step back into the Sunday School teacher role. In my more honest moments, I suspect that part of my dissatisfaction with decision making in our church is because I’m making the transition from interim pastor back to church member.
But Sunday morning was filled with kids having fun with Dad. All three of them presented me with my Father’s Day gift and then two of them gave me sweet picture/cards from their Sunday school classes. Before Sunday school began, there was a “Doughnuts with Dad” time in which the children’s SS classes were stocked with both Kispy Kreme doughnuts and with Dads of ample girth. (Mother’s Day is a more healthy affair offering “Muffins with Mom”).
Oh, I forgot to mention my best Father’s Day gift. A pair of Speedos!!! With summer swim season arriving soon, Kadie and the kids decided than I needed a new pair. I debated whether or not to post a picture of me wearing the Speedos, but decided why not!! Fun wins out over propriety…I'll include the picture of me in my new Speedos at the end of the entry.
After SS and church we returned home and hosted my own Mom, Dad, and youngest brother Miguelito. Dad, mom and I had a politically charged conversation and simply enjoyed spending time together chatting about a lot of nothing. My brother Miguelito is 16 going on 25 and a lot of fun. He decided to spend the night with us and then gave me a great gift when he offered to baby sit the kids and let Kadie and I escape to a movie. We saw the third installation of the Pirate movie and were pleased. (Sidenote, Geoffrey Rush is absolutely amazing. To me, he was more interesting in this film than Jack Sparrow).
I hope that you enjoyed your Father’s Day!!!!
Friday, June 15, 2007
On Anonymity
Shortly after attaining tenure, a blogging colleague asked if I would drop the anonymity of this blog. I’d been thinking about that topic already and concluded that I’m not ready to do so at this present time. Here are some reasons why I've decided not to do so...
First, I would like to continue to use this blog as a sounding board for my involvement in church ministry. I’ve not found many other blogs where intentional interim ministry is as much a topic as it is here. Bowden closed down the late great blog Interregnum (for reasons he explains here), which was one of the only other blogs taking up this issue from time to time. Susan Song or Lakeview would probably be fine with about 98% of what I’ve posted about my experiences with them, but if this blog operated under my name, I think I’d be more self-selective than I would like to be.
Workwise, I want to be able to post some stories or observations about teaching at a higher education institution. I don’t think I’ve betrayed any confidentiality, but some post participants (like here, here, or here) might not want the notoriety. (And most would recognize themselves). Since I do blog about a lot of personal conversations, I don’t want others to wonder if what they will say might end up on a blog post somewhere.
Third, safety is an issue. I take some warnings seriously about posting pictures and sharing personal information on the net with three kiddoes in the house. I like to share what they are going through and their perspectives on life, but I want to do so safely.
Lastly, this blog initially started out as a way to keep up with friends and family. And to them, this blog isn’t anonymous.
But this decision does come with some costs.
I don’t actively engage myself in SBC discussions in the blog world because I agree that it’s a bit weasely to put your thoughts out there while remaining anonymous.
I’m probably cutting myself off from some great relationships. I read blogs by folks like Dave, Benjamin, or Kevin, and think “I’d like to get to know these guys better.” Part of the intimacy of their blogs is because I know their names, where they live, and what they do. If they were anonymous, I don’t think I would have had the same level of appreciation.
But overall, I think that it is the right decision…for now, anyway.
Thursday, June 14, 2007
Meeting With the Deacons
Three areas of concern have remained unaddressed by our church. First, we were borne (in 1979) out of a prejudiced womb. Our church (like many throughout the south) decided to leave a neighborhood that was changing from white to African-American. In the early eighties we apparently developed a reputation as a church that was unwelcoming toward minorities.
But our most recent pastor, for thirteen years, has preached strongly from the pulpit a gospel message that was open to all races. We now have several African-American families in our church. In fact, on Sunday night we licensed an African-American friend for the first time in the history of our church. (A fact uncommented upon and even unrealized until I looked into it this week). This transformation in racial attitudes is an important and positive element in our church’s history that has been ignored.
A second area that remains unaddressed is a decision made about eight years ago to build a recreation center. This decision was made when we ran about 150 more people than we currently have in attendance. Its $1.2 million mortgage represents a heavy financial burden upon the church. We’ve established no long term strategic approach for dealing with the debt. Our most common response has been to complain about the lousy so-and-so's who signed up for the debt and then left the church. We need to lay out a long term plan for addressing this issue.
A final area of concern has been our staff turnover. Although we’ve had a pastor for thirteen years, during the last six years (since we’ve joined) we’ve had three youth ministers, four music ministers (really five because we’ve had one twice) and six children’s ministers. From my perspective, we need to examine our policies and procedures for dealing with staff. But from the perspective of our lay leadership, God has simply called some people to our church for a “season of healing,” and then called them on elsewhere.
I mentioned these three areas to the deacons and there were differences of opinion on each of them. Some simply told me I was wrong and that these issues didn’t exist while others agreed with the diagnosis, but not the treatment. As our time together closed, they told me that they would pray about our church’s options for the interim time.
I left the meeting in much better spirits than I did a few Sunday nights ago. Not because there was a greater agreement with my position, but rather because I felt prompted by God to share this information with them and I was obedient to that prompting. Now it is in God’s hands.
Where it has been all along.
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
The Bad News Miscreants (III)
So clearly word is getting out.
We dropped the first game 12-7 and won the second 18-15. The second game was a nail biter and no lead was safe. I had a fine pair of games at second base and only hurt us with a couple of errors for the evening. My hitting suffered as I went 0-3 with three walks for the night.
Injury report: I took a line drive smash off my right foot. It hit squarely on my big toe and the nail has turned a darkish hue. But all nagging injuries pale in comparison to the rest of the season. We are moving into the homestretch of the playoff race with our 1-5 record. We play six games over the next nine days, so things should really start to tighten up.
(I mean my muscles, not the playoff race. We’re way out of that!)
Monday, June 11, 2007
Kairos (III)
Sunday evening I met with our ordination council. Our pastor, youth/education minister and ten deacons were arrayed against me. Also going through the process was my good friend Larry, to my left. He and his wife have become some of our closest friends at Lakeview and I’m glad that we went through the ordination process (he as deacon, myself as minister).
After prayer, the questioning started. Here were the questions they asked:
- Share with us your testimony.
- What is your view of the Bible?
- Would your children say that you are a godly Dad?
(My initial answer was "It depends on which day you ask them.) - Can you worship with people who behave ugly towards you?
- Do you believe in the virgin birth?
- What is the gospel?
The only regret I had was that they made the decision (due to Sunday evening being the last Sunday of our pastor’s ministry here) not to do the laying on of hands during the service. We were told that they would pray for us before the congregation arrived in order to "expedite the service." The congregation did not participate. I did feel bad for my folks and Larry’s folks (and sisters) who all drove in to share in this time for us.
But all in all it was a very encouraging time. (And no, neither Letterman nor Seinfeld came up).
Kairos (II)
There are a few primary reasons.
First is that I feel a close relationship with our departing pastor. Although we theologically bear scant resemblance to one another, he and I have gotten along well over the last six years. I have supported him in the church and he has allowed me tremendous latitude in leadership and teaching roles. For example, he asked me to teach through 1 and 2 Timothy in a January bible study a few years ago when we disagree on the subjects of alcohol and female deacons. And as I have noted in the past, we've had our share of private confrontations.
The most amazing thing to me is that although he grew up a dirt poor boy from Arkansas, he has led our church (prior to my arrival) through a very difficult period of integration. It is the most integrated church to which I’ve ever belonged (though we still have a long way to go). He has modeled love and reconciliation and I consider it an honor for him to preside over my ordination.
A second reason is that I love this church and would like to have them be the ones who participate in this service with me. My kids came to faith in Christ at this church and Kadie and I have been blessed with places of service. Good people serve at this church. On those occasions when I do leaqve to serve in other churches, I want our family to have many connections to this church.
A third reason is the intentional interim ministry. As I’ve written extensively, it is a solid process for engaging the church in important elements of change. I now feel completely assured that this is what God has called me to do. Having a distinctive calling gives me something specific to be called to.
As to my previous objections?
I still don’t think I need to be ordained. But as I told Brother Jones last year and as I told "my former self" a few weeks ago: it’s not always about me. The church needs times of celebration and times of ritual. The church will take pride in my calling and will continue to serve as a support to me through prayer and encouragement. Wherever I go and serve, in some sense they will be participants in that service. In fact, B makes this point in his comment on Friday's post.
Lastly, I don’t think my distinction between clergy/laity will be too much affected by ordination. I say this because I will continue to be bivocational. Bivocational ministers might have an easier time than full time ministers explaining to the congregation that ministry is not something we pay other people to do.
But in the end, I do feel it is calling of God. It is kairos, God’s timing.
Now if I can just get through the candidacy interview without mentioning my affection for either Seinfeld or Letterman, I’ll be alright…
Thursday, June 07, 2007
Kairos (I)
When Kadie and I packed up the UHaul and trucked on over to the spacious living quarters at Southwestern Seminary in 1991, I had recently been licensed. The seminary requires all its students to be licensed in order to enroll. My pastor at the time helped me accomplish this, but due to the tumult of graduation, marriage, and moving that occupied that summer, he and I decided that I’d return home at a mutually convenient time and then I would be ordained.
We planned on setting up my ordination later that year, but never got around to it. It was a low on my priority list. After that first year, the pastor of my home church was forced out, and there arose a
When I went to Baylor, and was called to pastor Lone Oak, it wasn’t a concern of theirs. Neither was it an issue this last year at Susan Song. Plus I had two additional reasons for not wanting to get ordained.
First, ordination is not a key doctrinal issue for me. I don’t know if there’s a fourth level of doctrinal triage or not, but that’s about where I’d put it. There’s nothing wrong with ordination, but it is not required. I follow Spurgeon in saying that if God has called you into service, you really don’t need any one else’s endorsement. It is simply not a big concern to me. (Although Spurgeon goes even further. He said that ordination was a case of “empty hands being placed on an empty head.”)
Second, I’ve always thought that ministers were separated enough from the laity. There is a tendency in the church to assume that ministry is what you pay the preacher to do. It is a faulty division of labor: there are those who minister and those who support those who minister.
But I believe strongly in the calling of all believers as ministers. The key verses of my own ministry have been 2 Corinthians 5:18-19.
Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, namely, that God was in Christ reonciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
Paul is writing these verses to underscore the fact that all people are entrusted with God’s ministry, not just the leaders in the polyester suits. Ordination simply adds another unnecessary layer of insulation between clergy and laity.
So why get ordained?????
Seinfeld and Philosophy
Wednesday, June 06, 2007
The Bad News Miscreants (II)
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Tuesday, June 05, 2007
A Check in His Spirit
Following the presentation I took questions. My biggest concern going into the discussion was with our stewardship chairman. He’s a godly man and one who has earned the respect of the congregation and of myself. He has been very close to our pastor and served as chairman of the search committee that brought him here thirteen years ago. He is, in short, someone whose buy-in is integral to the IIM process being accepted at Lakeview.
But he is old school. And the IIM process is new in these parts. So when I finished he sat quietly for a minute and then said "Taran, I have a check in my spirit." By which he meant (I determined from context clues) that he had a bad feeling about the IIM and that this bad feeling was of divine origin.
As our discussion continued, the gist of his concern was that he feels the process to be too mechanical, and not spiritual enough. He felt that I did not emphasize the signifiance of the Holy Spirit in the prcess. It is true that I didn’t spend a great deal of time in the presentation talking about how prayer/fasting/discernment, etc. accompanies the process…I simply assumed that part.
The other two leaders were more open to the process and all three agreed that I should share it with the deacons and then, if they agree, with the church. I should meet with the deacons next week.
But for someone as passionate about the IIM as I am, it was a bit disheartening.